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Holographic Universe O_o!

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Started toying around with this idea for my fanfic trilogy installment (I wanted something crazy like The Fountain + The Matrix LoL 8-} ). Anyway, I was so busy researching & trying to wrap my head around it that I didn't see the obvious connection to Prometheus: Hologram Tech! 

From Weyland Corp's Timeline:

HOLOGRAPHIC ENVIRONMENT SIMULATOR (September 6, 2024)
Weyland Industries makes first foray into the luxury goods market with its Holographic Environment Simulator. It is the first HES able to accurately recreate the aesthetic, mood and sounds of any place in the known world, as well as provide live video feed from any calibrated receiver.

Interestingly, the Engineers had also mastered this tech (seemingly interactive :O )

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Compare to the Holographic Universe idea:


Nutshell: All information of 3D existence may be stored in a 2-dimensional surface area.
 
Compare orthographic projection (a means of representing a 3D object in 2 dimensions).

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To Metatron's Cube (2D representation of all 3D Platonic solids)  

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To the structure of the vacuum of space (3D - star tetrahedron)

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This was cool b/c I already had Metatron in my Paradise draft because of his role in creation according to the Kabbalah, and I thought it was a happy coincident that David was meeting him & the Star of David is in Metatron's cube. Anyway I didn't realize until later, that this might actually be a thing in Prometheus = the rubix cube as Metatron's cube & the symbols on the squares that Holloway presses w/his finger look a lot like the Weyland symbol on David's finger from the viral ad (he presses the screen - which is our field of vision, as if to say "your entire reality is actually a hologram!").

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I found some really good videos on the hologram idea:

ETA: This is the first one I saw. It's really short (28 mins) & he goes into the idea that the brain might also function based on this principle.

This one is really good if you have the time to watch it (1:30:00) I really recommend it b/c they explain the crux of the dilemma w/Hawking's work on black holes (it had implications that contradicted the foundations of quantuum physics).

6:33 - Panel introduction
8:46 - One minute primer & beginning of discussion

Leonard Susskind is on the panel of the above video - he's pretty famous in this field.
Length: 55 mins
Talk starts @ 1:30

David is closely associated with all the holograms in the film - the PIE lessons, the violin girl signal, Weyland's "ghost" presentation, and he even figures out how to activate the Engie's hologram tech.

Javablue - this seems to go with your simulated reality theory :-bd but I propose a slightly different interpretation; instead of continuity errors being glitches in a matrix/none-of-this-is-really-happening scenario created by the engie/alien intelligence, what if history is stored as information somewhere, and if you can find where that information is stored and change it, you can change history (at least, that's what I'm gonna do for my 3rd script lol :P  I figured if all the holograms we see are representations of history [violing message = human history] [pie lessons = history of language] [Weyland's "ghost"] [Star Maps = Archaeological digs]  [engie holograms = recordings from the past], then maybe history is information, and if that's so, there might be a way to change history that doesn't rely on the usual cliched, tropey-time-travel stuff). Or maybe my theory is not really at odds with yours :-?  I gotta think about this more, but I'd love to hear your thoughts about the possibility of a hologram reality.

PS - Ridley shooting the film in 3D @-)

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Ridley's Vision

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Ridley Scott intended to make two movies out of this story and from the sounds of critics' reviews this still seems to be the case. So all will not be answered in this movie, as it should be the case. Expectations have been running high and here lies any disappointment in the movie. I expect it to take us down the road of wonderment and chaos. This is the brilliance of the film and what I also expect is that I will be thinking about this film long after I have seen it, like the first Alien movie.

Did Ripley ever really escape the Alien? It took three more movies to answer that or did it? That is the brilliance of Ridley's Alien, how that question resonates even now. I still feel Ripley is still out there in hyper sleep, and the sequels were her hyper nightmares. Prometheus will probably become the new nightmare of the hyper traveler and their survivor will be the new Ripley. Never again at true peace and the questions they sought answers to have only lead to their hyper nightmares to come. 

Only a sequel may satisfy us or will it gnaw at us like the hyper traveler who survives the horror of LV426. Brilliant Ridley, brilliant.

What is the white liquid that david drinks?

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At the start of the movie we see david watching lawrence of arabia in the chandelier room. He cluches a large glass containing white liquid. Since he probably doesnt drink for pleasure, i was thinking the white liquid is pretty much the same as the milky liquid that is robotic blood/coolant. What do you think?

Discussion of the use of Leviticus in the plots of the Alien Universe

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Prometheus 2: plot points using the ideas behind the Leviticus verses.
Firstly, Leviticus 4:26 has better correlations as will be explained later, but Leviticus 22:3 has a very interesting message regarding the fate of those who meddle in the affairs of the Gods. 
I'll quote the verses and hope that many of you will be open to discuss the ideas that might or might not have influenced plot points in the movies of the Alien universe (Predator universe not-withstanding).
Leviticus 4 verse 26 reads:
"And he shall burn all his fat upon the altar, as the fat of the sacrifice of peace offerings: and the priest shall make an atonement for him as concerning his sin, and it shall be forgiven him." (KJ)
I could get into a lot of separate discussions on a great deal of subtopics here but lets just highlight a few to get the ball rolling:
The "priests" could be the Engineers, the "sin" could be the visitation of the planet of origin, and the "fat of the sacrifice", well, that is the big question! Could the atonement of the visitation be the creation of human/alien hybrids by their very presence there?
Will Shaw have to "be the sacrifice" that saves Earth? Does the physical planet LV 426 serve as the place of sacrifice by the Engineers due to its human terraforming presence being discovered somehow? Did Shaw make the decision to put the ship on that planet instead of Earth to "save Earth" from the Engineers or was it the Engineers or even the newly created alien/human hybrid race?
To be honest, though.....you have to think about the fact that Cameron and the writers, in "Aliens", had a different take on the "Sacrifice" that the bible verse depicts. Did Cameron keep the meaning of the verse alive in the plot of Aliens in '86? To me, there is absolutely no change in plot point if Prometheus 2 takes us back there and makes the colony on LV 426 the "sacrifice". The only revelation will be who made the choice for it to be that way: the Engineers, the Aliens, or Shaw herself! This starts some of the discussion......begin!

Secondly, and lesser into the implications of the sequel, I'm sure, is how the origin of the use of the black goo, is considered on the planet that it was founded on, LV 223. Or could it have been set there on purpose?
Here is Leviticus 22 verse 3 (there is no Leviticus 2:23, btw):
"Say unto them, Whosoever he be of all your seed among your generations, that goeth unto the holy things, which the children of Israel hallow unto the LORD, having his uncleanness upon him, that soul shall be cut off from my presence: I am the LORD."
So many correlations and so little time! First, in looking at the whole verse without taking it apart, one could conclude that a punitive curse could evolve involving the cutting off of your soul (belief system) for tampering in the affairs of the Gods.  I.E. understanding your origin could ruin your faith. Very incredible correlation to Prometheus 1, for sure, and the answers that Shaw is looking for, the "why," could be (hopefully) concluded in the sequel.  What do you think?  Further scrutiny can be developed from taking apart the verse. Such as:
What are the "seeds"?
What are the "generations"?
Can "Goeth unto the holy things" be taken literally or figuratively?
What is the "uncleanliness" referring to?
Whose soul is being "cut off"
Please discuss!!!!! 

Janek versus Hicks

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Out of all the characters in Prometheus, I'd say the closest one to match Hicks was Janek. But obviously he's not a carbon copy of him. There are some differences. The point of this thread is to beg the question, which character is cooler? That is, which character, Hicks or Janek, do you like more. Now, obviously Hicks is quite popular, but I've seen theories about him that suggest he is actually a creep. I don't put stock in those myself, but perhaps some of you do? Ummester chided me for not warming up to Janek sooner, and I think the reason I didn't like him until recently is that I felt like, until the second half of the film, Janek isn't given much to do. He merely sits and chuckles. When he does come around, he mans up to an extent, but his attempts to keep things under control never really cement, in my mind. Yes, he pulls Holloway out of the temple, but only to see him incinerated outside of the ship by Vickers. Janek does his best, but Vicker's overriding his command for the mechanics to open the hangar backdoor demonstrate how powerless he was, in that situation. The only time he is in control is when he mutinies at the very end. It's certainly his defining moment, saving the Earth in the process.

Hicks of course never does anything that monumental in a single action, but his actions overall I think are cooler. No armor piercing rounds? No problem. He totes a pump shotty for just that occasion. Surrounded by aliens? No worries. He leads what's left of his squad to safety, defending them with his shotgun, carrying Hudson, and pulling Vasquez back into the APC. These actions might seem like small potatoes when you compare them to Janek's sacrifice, but when Janek led the science team into the temple to look for Milburn and Fifield, he didn't bring a weapon. That being said, Janek certainly stepped up during Fifield's attack on the ship. But I think he's basically under Vicker's thumb until the end of the movie, when he makes his last-ditch effort to save Earth; I think this is demonstrated by him sleeping with Vickers.

Hicks, on the other hand, never sleeps with Ripley. Granted, I think given the circumstances anything more than a kiss between them would've been awkward. Certainly not something like the sex scene in Enemy at the Gates. Perhaps it was to spare us the detraction from the story, but I think Hicks was honestly more concerned with staying alive. For half of the film (and Aliens almost an hour longer than Prometheus) he's doing his damnedest to keep the xenomorphs from getting them. Janek, on the other hand, is sitting in "his" ship, chuckling and poking fun at Vickers. In fact, he doesn't start to really do much of anything until the second temple visit.

Are his actions not bad ass, after that? No, they are. He takes care of business, but he just isn't as constant as Hicks is in the heroics department. You could argue that both men pack serious grit, but stack up their actions side by side and I think Hicks wins. Not only that, but Hicks, by the end, is next in chain of command. He has responsibility. Janek "just flies the ship." I don't know, but something about that annoys me.


Blu Ray Easter Egg reveals more unseen Elder Engineer footage

ALTITUDE ????

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not sure were to put this so i made a thread instead :P


i was wondering just now about fords exhaust pipe comment .

i wonder if it could have been made in relation to the altitude they were at .

could the readings she took only be relevant to the height they were at ? maybe instigating that the lower they go the more intoxicating the atmosphere would get  ? 


she takes the readings at 52000ft in the sky , surely there would be differences as they got lower, right ?

Fire as Original Sin

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Okay, hopefully this isn't as stupid as the mushroom theory, or the holographic universe lol.

I was wondering (as far as their history) - what if the Engineers viewed fire and combustion as "dirty", and therefore, only used it for as long as it took to develop glass (with glass, you can make scientific instruments like thermometers, retorts, telescopes, miscroscopes, etc. With a fresnel lens, you can melt metal [like a solar foundry], with molten metal, you can slowly build a solar furnace, with a solar furnace, you can mass produce glass, metals, ceramics, nanomaterials, and enough energy to mine on an industrial scale, in order to discover radioactive elements, so you can advance into the nuclear age).

So imagine Prometheus holding up a magnifying lens (a "torch"), to concentrate the rays of the sun ("stealing fire" from the gods). The result would be fire, and in that controlled setting, he could teach mankind how to lose their fear of it, how to weild it, and then finally how to make it for themselves, and show all the things that can be done with it.

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There is a real life connection between this technology and the Greek myth, in how they light the Olympic flame every 4 years in Athens (they use a parabolic mirror, although I think it's a modern invention, but still. ETA: the nazi's started it, so a little nietzsche/ubermensch-y connection there). Anyway, the ceremony is held in the ruins of the temple of Hera, where the Olympic flame was historically kept. There modern ceremony demands that the flame be "pure" (where starting fire in traditional ways, like flint + fuel, friction of combustibles, or chemicals, would be considered "dirty").

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This seems like an elegant way to marry the gift of fire from Greek creation myth to the idea of original sin from the bible. Just as Prometheus' gift left us covered in filth (soot) - the bible declares that mankind is "unclean" thanks to Lucifer's meddling. 

Also if the Engineers are our gods, and in their history, the "firestone" was not flint, but quartz, it would suggest an ethic that "cleanliness is next to godliness"  - ie, something to be emulated - and there's a clue in Spaihts' master narrative in that they really did want mankind to follow in their footsteps. So taking that as a premise, perhaps Lucifer/Prometheus was an Engineer who wanted to undermined the establishment, and so instead of teaching us how to do things the hard way - to be cautious and thoughtful with quartz and the sun - he taught us the easy way - to be curious and utilitarian with flint and combustion.

The Engineers may have preferred creating civilization the hard way, in order to build character, and cultivate a deep respect and comprehension of the workings of nature. If so, the speed and recklessness of our development with fire may have been frowned upon as unintelligent, undisciplined, and even immoral (sin).

It'd be similar to Jurassic Park, when Malcom berates Hammond:

"I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it.... You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could..."

That plus some kind of ethic of "cleanliness" vs. "dirtiness"

This ties back to the Alien franchise, too. When the outbreak starts in A3, and they're all brainstorming about how to kill it without weapons, Ripley explains that the only thing the Xenos are afraid of is fire:

"I haven't seen one like this before. It moves differently. But the others were afraid of fire. Not much else [....] Don't we have flashlights? Torches? Do we have the capacity to make fire? Most humans have enjoyed that privilege since the stone age..."

So maybe the star maps were a warning for us to stop using fire, or face the consequences - ooor - maybe we were always meant to be lab rats, to test the effectiveness of their bioweapons, but the specific faction who created us took pity, and warned us to not trust the "pied pipers" of the establishment and give up the use of fire - knowing it was the only hope for a primitive race to defend themselves against the xenomorphs and other related bioweapons?

223 was destroyed around the time of Christ, and in A3, the prisoners were all apocalyptic christian cultists. Ripley tells them "Your ass is already on the line. The only question is, what are you going to do about it?" So that might be like an echo of the pictograms, and what Prometheus, or the Promethian faction of Engineers, were trying to communicate to early humans.

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I (still) don't get it: what was up with the Engineer head?

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I've seen the film quite a few times now, and most of the decisions made by the characters I can follow and understand to a certain extent (no matter how ridiculous it may seem), but I do not understand the following:

Why would you start probing the decapitated head of the alien life form you have only just discovered, to see if its cells can be fired up again? (Or whatever they were trying to do.) Wouldn't a scientist want to look at this specimen for a long, long time, measure it, photograph it, document anything and everything about it, put it through the fancy CT/CAT scanner, and then store it for further investigation after giving this discovery much thought!? 

But Shaw and Ford just stick an instrument in it and start toying with it as if there's dozens more in stock! 

I was baffled; the first time I saw the film in a cinema, and last night again as well (and upon every viewing of the film/ that scene so far.)

WHY!?   :$

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Should there have been a DNA shaped/limbed alien?

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With the DNA sequence starting off the prometheus movie, I somehow wonder what kind of a film we would have had if they had spent time developing another alien form: something completely new, original and terrifying like an alien resembling the DNA shape itself. It does sound quite bizarre, but it could have had limbs or a proboscus that resemble a crude DNA shape that unravels to reveal tentacles with snapping teeth or something.


Without it ending up too much like "The Thing", it could have been quite horrific yet beautiful at the same time, making the prometheus crew want to get up close and personal to investigate before it turns on them.


 


Did the ampule room continue "reacting" to the decapitated engineer's head?

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Assuming the ampule room sensed an infection, triggering a secure lockdown by closing the (open) door as the infected engineer approached it, then I wonder what else the ampule room is capable of sensing / reacting. Once the head was inside the now locked room, did the room do anything else after the decapitation? Did the room try to perform a self-sanitising operation much like the decontamination box inside the prometheus' med lab, spraying the whole room with some sort of cleansing gas?

And if so, how did those worms get there? Sure, they could have wormed their way in over the centuries. Or maybe the worms were outside, but hitched a ride into the otherwise sterile ampule room via the boots of the prometheus crew when they first entered.

The ampule room does seem to have a certain intelligence about it, judging by the dynamically changing murals, so I can't just imagine the engineer gets decapitated and thats the end of the story. The dead engineer is indeed well preserved according to Shaw's carbon reader, but I wasn't sure whether the head was more preserved inside the ampule room, than the rest of the body outside the ampule room.

According to the holographic recording, the engineer lags behind the rest of group as they run away, then it stumbles, falls to the knees, and gets decapitated by the sheer force of the door closing to the ampule room.

Now - that the door was normally left in the "open" position is a bit puzzling, Automated doors as we know them, open on approach, rather than close on approach. Seems a bit pointless to go to the bother of installing a door at all, if its habitually left in the open position. Be that whether they intended the ampule room more as a sacred (cherished) temple, or as a secure and controlled environment for bio-experiments.

Of course, it could also be argued the engineer was attempting to seek refuge inside the ampule room, but he only made it as far as the door before the infection stopped him.
If the engineer was trying to attempt suicide to prevent further spread of infection, from what we know, lockable doors in the pyramid generally seem to be operated from above (human) shoulder height via a control panel to the right of the door. So unless there was another means for the engineer being able to do this from the kneeling-down position a la open sesame / close sesame command, I'm wondering how automated the ampule room really was...

Anyway, any thoughts on the reactive capabilities of the ampule room?

Christmas with Janek

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Say nothing horrible had gone down in the temple, or rather yet, Holloway agreed to wait until tomorrow. How do you think the rest of the day would have gone during Janek's Christmas celebration? There would be no finds to analyze so the night would be his!

He obviously was planning, so what do you think Captain Janek would have given each of the crew members?

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Sibling rivalry & Family bonds in PROMETHEUS

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Sibling rivalry & Family bonds in PROMETHEUS

First, an overview of scenes containing clues hinting at the big reveal:

One; David finds Vickers awoken from hypersleep:

Meredith Vickers: [asking how long the Prometheus crew has been in hyper sleep] “How long?
David: “2 years, 4 months, 18 days, 36 hours, 15 minutes.
Meredith Vickers: “Any casualties?”
David: “ Casualties, ma'am?”
Meredith Vickers: “Has anyone died?”
David: “No, ma'am. Everyone is fine.”
Meredith Vickers: “Well, then wake them up.”

Two things of interest come to light in this dialogue: the first thing, which many viewers instantly noticed, seems to be the mistake David makes. “18 days, 36 hours, 15 minutes.” For a long time I did not understand why he would say such a thing; then it hit me. It’s not a mistake on David’s behalf; he is actually testing Vickers, to see if she will notice. She doesn’t. Why not? And why is she on the Prometheus to begin with?

That second question will be answered later in the film, explaining all about her curiosity about possible casualties. 

Two; the Weyland briefing:

Peter Weyland: [as a holographic recording] “Hello, friends. My name is Peter Weyland. I am your employer. I am recording this, 22 June, 2091. And if you're watching it, you have reached your destination. And I am long dead. May I rest in peace. There's a man sitting with you today. His name is David. And he is the closest thing to a son I will ever have. Unfortunately, he is not human. He will never grow old and he will never die. And yet he is unable to appreciate these remarkable gifts for that would require the one thing that David will never have. A soul. I have spent my entire lifetime contemplating the questions: Where do we come from? What is our purpose? What happens when we die? And I have finally found two people who convinced me they're on the verge of answering them. Doctors Holloway and Shaw, if you would please stand. As far as you're concerned, they're both in charge. The Titan Prometheus wanted to give mankind equal footing with the gods and for that, he was cast from Olympus. Well, my friends, the time has finally come for his return. Doctors, please. The floor is yours.”

Vickers introduces herself to the crew and then the recording of Peter Weyland starts: pay close attention to Vickers’ face as he says, “And I am long dead.” At first, we can glimpse, briefly, grief on her face as she listens to Weyland’s speech. 
But then he says (about David); “…he’s the closest thing to a son I will ever have.” The look on her face changes radically; now it is one of disgust and disdain. 

Three; the meeting between Vickers, Holloway and Shaw (and David): 

Meredith Vickers: “Weyland found you impressive enough to fund this mission. But I'm fairly certain your Engineers are nothing but scribblings of savages living in dirty little caves. But let's say I'm wrong, and you do find these beings down there, you won't engage them, you won't talk to them. You will do nothing but report back to me.”
Charlie Holloway: “Um, Miss Vickers, is there an agenda that you're not telling us about?”
Meredith Vickers: “My company paid a trillion dollars to find this place and to bring you here. Had you raised the monies yourself, Mr. Holloway, we'd happily be pursuing your agenda. But you didn't. And that makes you an employee.”

“…report back to me.” Not to anyone else. Not the captain, not the other members of the crew remaining on board, not David: only to her. 

Four; Discovery:

Elizabeth Shaw: [in an alien chamber] “Prometheus, are you seeing this?”
Meredith Vickers: “They were right...”
Janek: “You wanted them to be wrong?”

She can’t say it out loud, but yes, she wanted them to be wrong. Captain Janek doesn’t realize the importance of his question. Neither does the first time viewer of the film at this point. 

Five: Confrontation:

Meredith Vickers: “What did he say?”
David: “He said; ‘ try harder.’ Cup of tea, ma’am?”

By now it’s clear that something is in the works. Who is this mysterious stowaway giving orders to David? And why is Meredith Vickers so hell bend on finding out what this man has told David? 

Six; Medpod:

Elizabeth Shaw: “I need a cesarean!” 
Medpod Voice: “Negative. This Medpod is calibrated for male patients only.”

She (Vickers) lives on a lifeboat that has a Medpod calibrated for males only? Why is that? 

Seven; Reveal:

Meredith Vickers: “If you're really going down there, you're going to die.”
Peter Weyland: “Very negative way of looking at things. Exactly why you should have stayed at home.”
Meredith Vickers: “Did you really think I was going to sit in a boardroom for years arguing over who was in charge while you go look for some miracle on some godforsaken rock in the middle of space? A king has his reign, and then he dies. It's inevitable. That is the natural order of things.” 
Peter Weyland: “Anything else?”
Meredith Vickers: “No. That’s it – father.” 


And there we have it: all pieces of the puzzle come together. Peter Weyland, the founder of “The Company” is on board of the Prometheus to find his maker and ask for more life. He does not want to die. He wants to rule his kingdom forever. 

Meredith Vickers, his daughter (and, apparently, only child) is heir to the company; Weyland, despite his intellect, seems an old fashioned man who would have preferred a son to continue his life’s work. He created David, an android so lifelike he can hardly be distinguished from a human being; Vickers and David perform a battle through (harsh) words, as many siblings do – and David knows that Vickers, despite seeing the bigger picture quite clearly, is easily overlooking the details (“18 days, 36 hours, 15 minutes.”) while attempting to succeed as fast as she can. 

The reason why she’s onboard of the Prometheus is answered in the dialogue between her and Weyland as well; the Prometheus so far from Earth, it seems unlikely that there’s direct contact with home. Would Weyland have died on the ship, the Company’s management would never have known about it and Vickers would never have gained control over the Company until the news of his death would be received; if the Prometheus would ever make it back home. 

When Weyland dies and Janek, Chance, Ravel and Vickers seem to be the only survivors, she says, “Let’s go home.” She does not seem pleased or relieved, having killed Holloway by setting him on fire (for the first time being confronted fully with the horrors waiting just outside the ship), and having lost her father who, despite their differences, she clearly loved and respected very much. (Which became clearer in the dialogue from the extended scene.) But she does know that she can bring back the news of Peter Weyland’s death to the board of directors, and take full control. 

Prometheus is a much-debated film; praised for its visual effects, disliked, and in some cases even despised for the questions it raises, rather than answers. 

However, at its core lies not the story of creation (of mankind), but the frail bonds between powerful family members; it is very much a royal drama which the entire film revolves around; a king not willing to give up his throne and rule, and his daughter, heir to the kingdom, who wants what should rightfully be hers. 

Looking a bit deeper into this, it starts with her setting up in the separate module (the lifeboat) that was originally designed for Weyland himself. As he is asleep in his pod, Vickers makes herself comfortable in his quarters, believing (hoping?) that her father will not survive this journey and a take-over will be easy and without a fight. 

The shock of the reveal of Weyland and Vickers being father and daughter seems largely lost to the more general audiences who watch this film for a bit of entertainment and thrills; partially the chopped up scene is to blame, making it seem quite illogical. (One moment Vickers is almost in tears, the next she’s angry with Weyland – the transition works far better in the extended cut.)
And partially this is due to the events taking place simultaneously on other parts of the ship: Shaw has just given birth to the Trilobite, Fifield has returned to the ship and caused death and destruction before being killed himself; the crew is preparing to enter the Pyramid once more and face the last remaining Engineer. 

Why do I bother to write all this? For me, you can have as many fantastical creatures and the most beautiful spaceships, planets and moons thrown into a film, but it only works when there’s a connection (not necessarily blood related) between characters; when they collide and try to find one another again; when they bond during times of hardship; show love for one another in any (subtle) way possible; are willing to forgive despite their anger – or are being unforgiving. 
And parents and children, they go through all these stages. Most of the time, gaining wisdom along the way and through the years, children learn to forgive their parents for their mistakes; and parents appreciate and respect the adults their children will/ have become. 
Sometimes, that never happens. This is what I see happen between Weyland and Vickers: she is trying to connect to him, attempting to stop him from going out. (“If you're really going down there, you're going to die.”) not wanting to lose her father despite knowing that his death will bring her fortune and prosperity. 
For a moment he seems to understand but then he believes he realizes that she’s only after the rule over the Company and he retreats back into his old self; stubborn, arrogant, looking for one thing only: more time. Eternity, if possible. 

Even upon first viewing in a cinema this was what stood out to me; the reveal of the frail connection between Weyland and Vickers, hinted at through all the little clues within the dialogues and body language. Director Ridley Scott has taken the ALIEN universe to a whole new, subtle level; the acting in these films was always solid but the back-story has been intensified with this power struggle. 

engineers did not make us

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if dna is same or similar ,then  we are just their babies,
and  maybe only some small group of aliens(engineers) wants us dead.
 

What would Sherlock Deduce from Prometheus film?

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I've recently seen seasons 1/2 of Sherlock with Cumberbatch.

Now, if that version of Sherlock had seen the Prometheus movie, what could he deduce about the Engineer species?

things like: 
since the engineers that shaw/david encountered had intended to destroy or alter earth, but failed, one must conclude that the entire race of engineers did not share the desire to kill off humans. 

nobody ever came back in 2000 years to finish the job, hence the engees shaw met were a splinter group, or the entire species has been wiped out.  the latter is ruled unlikely since it'd be hard for a species with mastery of space to all die off when not connected to eachother.  1 calamity could hardly spread through the entire universe to extinct them all. 

what else could Sherlock Holmes deduce?
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