My thoughts on our relationship with the SJ is like paradise lost! We are the lesser race of the 2 races created by the creator but are favored and therefore met with hatred and SJ's are seeking our elimination and therefore the creators abandon them to their fate. Which i think the purpose of the black goo was to eliminate/change us into weapons. Still working out all the angles!
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Paradise lost possibility
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David's inside knowledge
Have looked at the faqs, but have not seen this mentioned. Loved the movie (2x). However, one thing really bothered me. Guess you would call it a plot hole. How did David seem to have an intimate knowledge of the interworkings of the Engineers' temple? He knew where to go, what the pass codes were to enter the different chambers, etc. I'll give him credit for watching the hologram of the engineer activating the ship. But, how did he know what buttons to push and their order to activate the chair so he could watch the hologram?
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Let's Enhance It With DIR CUT!
How would you "enhance" the story by adding deleted scenes?
Vickers/Janek sex scene.
Show Fifield getting high before they find the headless SJ.
Show Fifield getting Millburn lost and blaming the weed.
More of David and SJ conversation with Subs...
Anything else? ^^
Vickers/Janek sex scene.
Show Fifield getting high before they find the headless SJ.
Show Fifield getting Millburn lost and blaming the weed.
More of David and SJ conversation with Subs...
Anything else? ^^
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getting back to At the Mountains of Madness
I searched & didn't find any threads on this since the film was released. Do we really know that the big albino bald guys in Prometheus are the engineers? It took me a few viewings for the question to come to me. I think the closest we come to knowing for sure is when Millburn asks how Shaw knows that they engineered us & the best answer she's got is only "it's what I choose to believe." Since the release of the behind the scenes pics with the "elders" & Scott saying something like "you don't want to show God in the first movie" (feel free to source that quote for me) could those guys be the real engineers? Since Prometheus is apparently close enough to AtMoM that Del Toro quit his adaptation, wouldn't that make the bald guys in Prometheus (mistakenly called engineers) the Shoggoths? In AtMoM the Shoggoths have no purpose in life except to read the thoughts of the Elders & do their bidding until at some point they rebel, wipe them out & take over their Antarctic city. Now that the bts pics have come out it looks like the bald guys' purpose is to be sacrificed by the older ones. I presume against their will, since the flying saucer stays around until the sacrificial one drinks the goo.
(as I type this I just remembered that the end credits call them engineers... doh)
That might explain some of the things we see in Prometheus, like why the humans get sent to what turns out to be a military installation. When the star maps & cave paintings were made on Earth, it was an engineers' religious or ritual place (Scott said that too, at least about the ampule room), but by the time Prometheus happens the Shoggoths have rebelled with their derelict spacecraft & urns, etc & taken it over. I guess it could also explain the guy's hostility to the humans after waking up especially when David spoke the (real) engineers' language. It could also explain why Scott would say Paradise is sinister & unsettling, since by the time Shaw gets there it will be occupied by genocidal Shoggoth-engineers & so on & so on. Assuming Lindelof, Scott, the cast & everyone else have told the truth would this contradict anything that is definitely known about Prometheus, either what is shown onscreen, or in the bts stuff or what has come out in interviews?
(as I type this I just remembered that the end credits call them engineers... doh)
That might explain some of the things we see in Prometheus, like why the humans get sent to what turns out to be a military installation. When the star maps & cave paintings were made on Earth, it was an engineers' religious or ritual place (Scott said that too, at least about the ampule room), but by the time Prometheus happens the Shoggoths have rebelled with their derelict spacecraft & urns, etc & taken it over. I guess it could also explain the guy's hostility to the humans after waking up especially when David spoke the (real) engineers' language. It could also explain why Scott would say Paradise is sinister & unsettling, since by the time Shaw gets there it will be occupied by genocidal Shoggoth-engineers & so on & so on. Assuming Lindelof, Scott, the cast & everyone else have told the truth would this contradict anything that is definitely known about Prometheus, either what is shown onscreen, or in the bts stuff or what has come out in interviews?
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My questions about Prometheus
I've just seen Prometheus, and I was somewhat dissapointed by some parts of the plot that didn't seem to make sense. I don't want to dismiss the movie (it was entertaining), and I don't expect a perfect plot, but if I can find a plausible interpretation of some questions, I guess my dissatisfaction would decrease, so I'd like to know if some of you have found some way to make sense, or if you would agree with me that they don't make sense.
(1) Why do the Engineers "invite" (with the drawings in several cultures) humans to LV233, which turns to be a military base where they prepare a bioweapon against humans?
(2) Why does the first Engineer kill himself? If his goal was to offer his DNA to create life on Earth, couldn't he have done this without killing himself?
(3) Why do the Engineers first create and contact and "invite" humans, and later try to exterminate them with a bioweapon?
(4) Why do the Engineers have a mural with an Alien?
(5) Why does David infect Holloway with the black substance?
(6) If something went wrong 2000 years ago and some mutated lifeforms killed almost all Engineers in LV233, why there're not more mutated lifeforms in LV233?
(7) If Engineers had a plan to exterminate humans and their bioweapon backfired 2000 years ago, why the other Engineers did nothing since then, in order to rescue the survivors in LV233, or continue their plan?
I've found much more examples like these. What do you think? Can you make sense of them?
(1) Why do the Engineers "invite" (with the drawings in several cultures) humans to LV233, which turns to be a military base where they prepare a bioweapon against humans?
(2) Why does the first Engineer kill himself? If his goal was to offer his DNA to create life on Earth, couldn't he have done this without killing himself?
(3) Why do the Engineers first create and contact and "invite" humans, and later try to exterminate them with a bioweapon?
(4) Why do the Engineers have a mural with an Alien?
(5) Why does David infect Holloway with the black substance?
(6) If something went wrong 2000 years ago and some mutated lifeforms killed almost all Engineers in LV233, why there're not more mutated lifeforms in LV233?
(7) If Engineers had a plan to exterminate humans and their bioweapon backfired 2000 years ago, why the other Engineers did nothing since then, in order to rescue the survivors in LV233, or continue their plan?
I've found much more examples like these. What do you think? Can you make sense of them?
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Missing Track
Did anyone notice there is an awesome piece of score missing from the soundtrack? It plays when they are running from the storm and then plays again during the credits. I wonder why it wasn't included...
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Did Holloway see David as a Rival?
All the way through the film, I noticed differences between the way Holloway (The boyfriend) and David (An android) reacted to Shaw whenever she was in danger.
After Shaw got caught up in the dust storm and the three of them were pulled back into the airlock Holloway yells at her: "You could've got yourself killed" (or something along those lines) - this was probably because he was worried about her, but nonetheless David is the first person in the airlock to ask if she was alright.
I couldn't help but wonder whether Holloway saw David as a potential rival over Shaw when he was only following protocal and being a gentleman.
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If you've ever told a critic, "Stop comparing Prometheus to Alien", read this.
Now, read the following statements, and tell me if I'm talking about Alien or Prometheus:
1. An ancillary crewmember cares more about his pay than his scientific duty.
2. A curious crewmember, against all common sense, gets a bit too close to a previously-undiscovered alien life form, and is attacked.
3. A helmet visor is melted by corrosive alien blood.
4. A crewmember gets throatfucked by an alien appendage.
5. A crewmember unwittingly hosts an alien nasty inside his/her body.
6. A much-hyped and pivotal scene involves the "birth" of the aforementioned nasty.
7. An alien parasite violently breaks its way out of its host's chest, killing the host.
8. There is a large, black, slimy, bipedal alien with a phallic head.
9. A company with "Weyland" (OK, "Weylan" if you must...) in the name orders one of the crewmembers to pursue alien biotechnology, even at the expense of his shipmates' lives.
10. One of the crewmembers is an android, and suffers a decapitation. His talking head is seen a little later.
11. There is a good deal of flamethrower action in the latter half of the film.
12. The lead character is an attractive dark-haired female. By the end, she is the only survivor.
13. The female lead, when face to face with her greatest threat, escapes by pressing a button to open a door, ensuring her attacker's doom.
14. The film ends with a monologue from the lead, delivered in the form of a radio message to Earth.
Sometimes the truth hurts. Prometheus is a badly-thought-out, poorly-written mess of a cheapo franchise remake.
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The Bioscopist - The Linguistics of Prometheus
Lots of questions on what David asked the Engineer. Stu Holmes tackles this and does a little footwork.
Let's put this little detail to bed, shall we?
Let's put this little detail to bed, shall we?
In the scene David is learning the building blocks of language and we see him taking a lesson in Proto-Indo-European (PIE) Linguistics, where a holographic professor, takes him through the ABC’s and recites Schleicher’s Fable. An artificial text composed in the reconstructed PIE, in 1868, to demonstrate the language’s use.hjew?s jasm? hwæln? nah?st ak?uns?z dad?kta (Translated as: a sheep that had no wool saw horses) – Excerpt from Schleicher’s Fable – The Sheep and the Horses"The ‘Professor’ in the clip is in fact the real-life linguistics consultant used for the film and taught Michael Fassbender (David) the dialogue. I managed to track down the consultant, a Dr. Anil Biltoo of the SOAS Language Centre in London, to see if he could shed some light on the mysterious final scene. He was most helpful and provided the following:The line that David speaks to the Engineer (which is from a longer sequence that didn’t make the final edit) is as follows:/ida hman?m a? kja nam?tuh zd?:taha/…/gh??vah-pjorn-?ttham sas da:t? kredah/A serviceable translation into English is:‘This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life’.
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What's the song called in the opening credits
Even though I, like most, felt that the score was played a bit too much throught the movie, I really did like it. To me, its tone was what Goldsmith would have done with Alien if Ridley had let him.
What was the main theme called, the music that played during the opening credits?
EDIT: Also, what was the name of the song that played while they were racing back to the Prometheus to escape the sandstorm?
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Prometheus Quotes
Charlie, look.
A self surgery medpod.
Dey only maka dozen of these.
A self surgery medpod.
Dey only maka dozen of these.
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Galactic system? Why was the engineer pointing at those dots?
Holloway calls the "starmap" a galactic system. Well... what the heck is that? The use of nonsensical terminology is a little annoying in this context because we have no idea what those dots are supposed to be. A constellation of stars? A solar system? What is it? If it was a solar system and those dots represent planets, it's kind of stupid to show it to primitive men right? They can't even see this system from Earth, and even if they could, the planets move around the sun so they are never in one fixed position anyway (stars move too, I know, but you know what I mean).
It would only make sense if it was a constellation of stars. So why was the engineer pointing at them? We know it wasn't an invitation, so what was it?
It would only make sense if it was a constellation of stars. So why was the engineer pointing at them? We know it wasn't an invitation, so what was it?
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How It Should Have Ended Releases their Prometheus video
Released on their Facebook page a few hours ago:
Not all I thought It would be, but still...
Discuss
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Bodily imagery in Prometheus? (Salacious thread inside)
So we all know that Alien was completely jam packed with cocks, vaginas and allusions to wombs, but what was there in Prometheus? Aside from the familiar Juggernaut design with its gaping legs and vulvic looking 'exhaust ports' the only other thing I really noticed was the rounded pregnant looking temple that had inside it urns that contained what you might call 'spermy black goop'. Let us see how much we can indulge our Freudian perverted minds.
I might add the visual of the Prometheus slamming into the middle of that Jockey ship at full force where the three openings were was most... titillating.
I might add the visual of the Prometheus slamming into the middle of that Jockey ship at full force where the three openings were was most... titillating.
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Babyhead. And a rundown of terminology
Just finished reading The Art of the Film section on Feifield.
He was officially refereed to by the production team by the nickname BABYHEAD
So no more FrankenFeifeld. He is Babyhead, when mutating into the Alien.
Cuddles still = Cuddles,
because that is the squidbaby form
Adult Cuddles = Trilobite
Elephant head suit = Space Jockey (confirmed by OST track)
Suit off = Engineer
Pilot = Seated Space Jockey in chair
He was officially refereed to by the production team by the nickname BABYHEAD
So no more FrankenFeifeld. He is Babyhead, when mutating into the Alien.
Cuddles still = Cuddles,
because that is the squidbaby form
Adult Cuddles = Trilobite
Elephant head suit = Space Jockey (confirmed by OST track)
Suit off = Engineer
Pilot = Seated Space Jockey in chair
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Prometheus theories and answers
I've seen Prometheus 4 times now and this is what I came up with. It's long and detailed but I like some of the things I found. I've enjoyed other and I hope you enjoy mine.
http://ow.ly/csArW
Please let me know what you do agree with and if I've missed anything. Have a great day.
http://ow.ly/csArW
Please let me know what you do agree with and if I've missed anything. Have a great day.
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"My Boyfriend Is An Engineer" Tumblr site
Two solid pages of amazing
http://myboyfriendisanengineer.tumblr.com/
http://myboyfriendisanengineer.tumblr.com/
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Holloway is a Martian
It always bugged/confused me when they say
"they wanted to talk to martians", and
"maybe it's martian piss" in a row.
until I remembered Holloway served on tours of Terraformed Mars, basically living there.
So the comments make sense about the whole Mars thing
supposedly they deleted the Mars footage from the film, and just had it in the background of Weyland's speech
should be interesting
what's up with Mars
"they wanted to talk to martians", and
"maybe it's martian piss" in a row.
until I remembered Holloway served on tours of Terraformed Mars, basically living there.
So the comments make sense about the whole Mars thing
supposedly they deleted the Mars footage from the film, and just had it in the background of Weyland's speech
should be interesting
what's up with Mars
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Prometheus Forum Livestream & Chat (Update: BR - August 4)
http://www.prometheusforum.net/stream ... on Tinychat, click GUEST. then click Livestream on the left
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Name music that would fit Prometheus
What music do you think fits Prometheus?
It doesn't have to be music that would be played in the actual film, but that would work great in trailers and the like.
Normally it's not really my kind of music, but I've noticed that I tend to listen to Nine Inch Nails a lot while discussing and reading about Prometheus. I know it's not the most original choice, but Nine Inch Nails has this interesting mix of urgency, tension, aggression, mechanicality, alienation and weird sensuality that seems rather appropriate for this film. Lyrically it often works too.
Some songs in particular:
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