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Beginning of Time Saucer (UFO) / LV-223 Nazca Line Link?

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Prometheus Movie Thought this was worthy of discussion here, maybe we could get a consensus from you knowledgeable people on this.


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Cut what off whom?

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We've had this before but I don't remember it having its own thread. Who is it screaming that line, and what are they referring to?

If it's Holloway's voice, it could be something pretty nasty that has attached itself to him,or is growing out of him.

The voice sounds like it has an American accent which probably rules out Milburn and Fifield but sometimes a lot of stress in the voice can be misleading so I'm not sure they can be ruled out completely. Maybe one of them is yelling at either Ford, Shaw or David (who seem to arrive pretty quickly at the scene of the arm/assflower interface incident) to cut off the molten helmet from the other. Which they don't appear to have been successful with.

Could be Janek getting all excited and giving orders to lay an interception course to ram the Juggernaut, but he doesn't seem the kind of guy to lose his cool behind the wheel. But it could be Janek after the crash, trapped in burning wreckage by a pesky limb.

This isn't Alien... right?

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OK, my last thread was trolled to death, but a lot of people are getting hot under the collar because they think Prometheus is getting panned for "not being Alien enough", when it's not supposed to be compared with Alien. They just both happen to inhabit the same universe. Right.

If we're not supposed to compare Prometheus with Alien, why are there so many blatant similarities? Let's list a few:

1. Chestbursters/headbursters... creatures that violently exit the human body, resulting in death.
2. A company android causing tension amongst the crew. Decapitation.
3. A corporate conspiracy ("must get Alien tech... use a clueless crew, they're expendable...")
4. A reluctant female lead, who will grow into her warrior role, and become the sole survivor. Who is, incidentally, shown in skimpy white undies.
5. Flamethrowers. Not the most practical of futuristic weapons, really. Bullets go where you shoot them (ricochets notwithstanding). Fire burns uncontrollably. But hey, Dallas had one, the marines had them, and they look good on screen. I'll let this one go.
6. Phallic black monsters. Ridley said the Xeno was done to death. I agree. Showing a proto-xeno Engineer chestburster is just crowd-pleasing. There's simply no need. We were told to expect the Engineers' story. It doesn't have to have any Xenos in it at all!
7. Oh, and finally, the entire plot structure (ship sent to alien planet under false pretenses, crew discover nasty surprise, crew gets wiped out by mindlessly-violent monsters).

How are we not supposed to compare Prometheus to Alien?

What did David SAY?

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*SPOILER*

One of the biggest questions in the movie for me:

What did David say to the Engineer?

In the scene we had Shaw emotional and yelling her questions and we had Weyland firmly ordering David to talk for him

Whatever David said the outcome led to chaos, but was it because of
what he said?

Did the Engineer react to what Shaw said via David?
Did the Engineer react to what Weyland said via David?

Or did David say what he wanted to say knowing the humans wouldn't understand?

After all, David mentioned the idea of killing one's own parents with Shaw, so was the death of Weyland a logical progression for David?

Did David think Shaw was right, so asked her question to the Engi?

Did the Engineer destroy David and go on a rampage regardless of what was said or simply because we mean so little to him (ants)?

Thoughts?

Loved the antagonism between David and Holloway.

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The parts where Holloway condescends David asking why he's wearing a suit as much to say 'you're not one of us, why are you bothering to try?' at one point I think he calls David "Boy" when ordering him to get ready as well as the pool table scene when he keeps aiming the cue balls at his cocktail shaker and then David grabs it as though he's becoming slightly irritated at his behaviour

I get the feeling that when David asks "What would you be willing to do to get your answers?" and Holloway replies with "Anything and everything" David takes him literally like 'fair enough have it your way' then goes on to infect him "Good health". This is after we find out Weyland has told him to "Try harder".

The Third Race concept. I think I solved.

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Hello everyone, Previously I posted this on Prometheus-Movie.com, and would like to discuss it here more intensively.

I've been thinking a lot about the movie, especially about SJs. What makes me nervous is the HUGE GAP between level of technologies they used (intergalactic travels, holomaps, inductive controls, bioengineering, which requires highly precise instruments etc) and the rudimentary, prehistorical form of this technologies (Alladins cave entrance to the Head Room, which opens by Magical Signs on it, Magical Start Flute and so on). Well, here is the solution:

  1. RS told it in an interview, taht SJs are soldiers, and they look like. They all looks the same, they all are male.
  2. The technologies they use are given to them, they are not able to create or invent. The proof is those language. Thousands of years they use cuneiform as written expression, a language which sounds like Sumerian and which is VERY limited. We created hundreds of languages just in a 2 t.y. period.
  3. They behave themselves as religious fanatics. A lot of SJs ran into a Head Room (Temple), but there was no bodies inside. They nor have a teleporter :), or they completely destroyed those bodies with the black liquid, which is enough inside the room. What is left? The black soil on the ground, with warms in it (We saw it in the beginning – destroying the bodies produces a soil). Why? Sjs have been running away of something and they thought the only one salvation is in that temple, cause someone told them it is so. In fact it leads to the death, but they don't know it.
  4. They don't have any weapons. They work with a HIGHLY dangerous substance, each moment a monster can appear, and all the emergency meanings the yhave is.....a suicide room? I think they don't have wepons cause they haven't invent by themselves and no one gave it to them.
  5. There was a fresco inside of the Head Room, with a creepy creature and  human-like above. I don't know any image where a God would be painted lower then his creation (human, in our case), which means A human-like person/race is those God.

Which leads to only one idea: 
SJs is an artificial race, produced by a third one as soldiers and controlled with a primeval religion.

So who created them you’ll ask?

Let’s go back to the begging.
We’ve seen a disc shaped ship, which is not a SJs one. I assume SJs don’t use other ships, cause they are warriors only, as Scott said long-long time ago. This was a ship of the third race.
We saw an ancient painting in a cave, with a person, pointing to planets. But why everyone thinks this was a SJ? Just because he is taller than humans? I suppose this is the same race, which you can see on the fresco on a ship, not a SJ.

In a nutshell.
There must be a pre-human race from another planet. They’ve been looking for life all over the space but all they found was this creepy creature from fresco. They decided to make something more or less human like of them for hard, dangerous work purposes: delivering bio-material. In fact they are waste meat, because incidences happens extremely often at those ships.

Perhaps they use them as an infinite source of organic material to seed life on planets with one-way self-delivery function. Anyway, although SJs are minded creatures, they are only servants and can not creatively think. They are brainwashed with some religion.

Lately the Earth was found with humans on it (or the Third Race created us artificial to ensure that creative thinking lifeform will exists in the universe if they'll die). Why SJs decided to destroy us completely as a race? Because of jealous….those creators loved those other «sons» (us) more then them, and from this point a story of fathers and sons begins, which is mirrored in a triangle of Weyland(preHuman), Meredith Vickers (human) and David(SJ), which I’ll describe in another thread later.

Another option: they lost their faith (cause it was spoken a lot in the movie) or created own religion, destroyed creators and targeted to Earth to destroy us. The catalyst for this could be an accidentally creation of Xenomorph. Just as David with the black goo and Shaw, they played with life creation (Xenomorph), decided, that they are gods too and raised revolt against those "Fathers".  In it's turn this led to slowly dying of themselves, cause just as kids they started to play with fire (Life creation) without any idea of how it works, how to control it and where it can lead....as those creators with them before and as Weyland with David creation lately.

Prometheus scenario is happening AFTER Alien 1&2?

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I don't know if Ridley and Damon mentioned that but....As many of you I've been thinking, that prometheus's scenario happen before Alien. Well, I watched Alien 1 and didn't found any mention of year. Then I watched Aliens - again no mention of the year....BUT. Ripley slept 57 years. And guess what.......she never heard about terraformation and she never heard about atmosphere processors, which are well described at the Weyland Website. If you take a look here  you'll find that first terraformation was made on our moon and it was finished in 2039. Which means Alien 1 was bfore 1939 and before Prometheus.

So....if this is a scenario mistake, then why did they paid so much attention to terraformation on the website, wich is absolutely not mentioned in the movie?

Looks like Weylend was inspired not only by Shaw's speaches :)


What did Weyland say when he died?

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I used the search feature on the forum but it doesn't return ideal results (I couldn't find anything).

What does Weyland say to David just as he's dieing?  I still can't make it out after 2 viewings.

The "worm creatures"

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Anyone else notice that the heads of the worm-like creatures that took out Fifield resembled the Weyland logo? When they first appeared I thought perhaps that Weyland had created them messing around with the biological goo or something.

Prometheus kill count

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Seeing Nik's thread made me think of a work mate who tried to post something like this but couldn't log on, so here goes.

First, we need to define the crew

Shaw, Holloway, Vickers, Janek, Chance, Ravel, Fifield, Milburn, Ford, Weyland, David, Boss merc, 3 other mercs, 4 mechanics = 19.

Then, we need to work out what deaths we saw, in order and keep a tally:

Milburn 1

Holloway 2

Fifield, 3 mercs & 2 mechanics 8

Weyland, Boss merc, Ford 11

Janek, Chance, Ravel 14

Vickers 15

Shaw & David alive 17

Where are the other 2?

The mate from work suggested the other 2 may be the randoms with Weyland after he first wakes up but that still doesn't solve what happened to them? Anyone know exactly who those 2 with Weyland are and if I have missed any deaths?

David, the Accidental Voyeur or Deranged Sex Pest?

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Are David's motives for all his voyeurism innocent or has he got deranged tendancies?

Can David have Sexual thoughts?

Is he just Peter Weyland's calculator or something more sinister?

By making him more human than human have they unlocked something deep in the ID?

The Engineers' DNA is a mirror image of ours.

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Hi all! Thanks for building this amazing forum - I've enjoyed all the awesome content here. Sorry about the weird formatting below!

I finally have my own two cents to add; it has to do with the "twist" of DNA. A curious thing is that the Sacrifice Engineer's DNA was shown with a chirality (handedness, or direction of twist) that's inverted compared to ours. Ours is right-handed, which means it has the same threading as a traditional screw that you twist clockwise to go "in". I'm pretty sure the Engineer's DNA was backwards and left-handed. Check this out for a visual comparison: http://tinyurl.com/6scdr3l The prospect of life that's a mirror image on the molecular level is sort of a fun sci-fi one: the two varieties of organism (e.g. human & Engineer) be absolutely indistinguishable on the surface (and maybe even in a DNA comparison that grants a "100% match, more on that below) but you would not be able to utilize the nutrients in food from the wrong chirality and you wouldn't be able to reproduce with someone of the opposite chirality. So if these guys were identical to us but flipped on the atomic level... that's sort of a neat idea. The black goo (in the first scene at least) could act as a molecular Rosetta Stone that flips between chiralities. Now I don't know if this is all a slight goof-up that I'm over-interpreting, but I think their backwards (left-handed) DNA had righted itself after the digestion and upon reassembly. I need to see that scene again (if someone could post a screencap it would help!). That would be great but there's absolutely no reason to expect that level of thought to be put into something that even scientists mindlessly flip (in art/figures) all the time.

Regarding whether this would negate the perfect match: if they did a mass-based analysis or a digest that picked up just the bases themselves (they are not chiral / flat) or a karyotype then both genomes would appear identical... if they tried sequencing their genome using currect technology then yes, it would not work since it'd be a FAIL upon contact with the our-chirality enzymes. They did have a fucking DNA MICROSCOPE which is absolutely hilarious and awesome and I want one, so maybe they could have seen it with that. All said: the Engineers' DNA is backwards and I'm still wondering if it's a flub or a stroke of genius.

Please help: if anyone could post a screen-grab of the post-reassembly helix that is shown very briefly, I'd really appreciate it. It'll clarify if they goofed up on all the representations DNA or if they deliberately inverted it as part of the goo-induced digestion. Thanks.

Did anyone else notice David checking for fertile mucus?

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I thought this might have been a cute visual homage to signs of fertility in humans:

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How far can the Goo mutate?

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So we've seen what it does to humans and worms. But what if those infected can still be further mutated by coming into contact with the Goo again. What if the Hammerpede if left in the Goo puddle had mutated into something else? Same with Fifield and Holloway. What would happen if the Deacon came into contact with it? Your thoughts on this?

Engineer biology explained – Nipples, genitals, bowels and wrinkles

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Hello folks,

here are a few elements I gathered regarding the Engineers' biology, from either behind-the-scenes shots, pre-production designs, film elements or screenshots and interviews of sfx artists and crew.

First of, contrarily to what I have frequently read across the board, the engineers do have nipples. They are tiny and not quite noticeable, but present nevertheless. See the (pre-)production shots below. It is particularly obvious on the cgi-match of the actor in the breakdown-shot of the 'genesis scene', and even more on the chest prosthetics in the behind-the-scene shots.

A second step is to acknowledge that they have genitals. This is reliably supported by the pre-prod design studies for the engineers, in which the engineer features noticeable nipples and male genitals ; we can reliably assume this was preserved in the final design for the film as the Sacrificial Engineer appears wearing a loincloths tied around his waist which would make no sense if not to hide his genitals. And you don't hide your genitals more than you hide your ear unless said genitals are... gendered, which brings us to the next step...

As a consequence from their having nipples and genitals, and given their DNA (see film) and physiological (see below) similarity to humans, it is relatively straightforward to assume the Engineers are gendered, and thus that female Engineers shall exist.

As aforementioned, an element we can safely deduce from Max Arthur's interview (and, in a lesser way Conor O'Sullivan's – see material below) is that their physiology and metabolism are relatively similar, or at least comparable, to those of humans. They do need being fed during artificial sleep and their organic functions seem to be monitored in ways relatively similar to ours too. This and the scene in which David8 gets close to the engineer sarcophagus to listen to what appears to be a heartbeat seem to support that their internal organs' anatomy and function are also quite similar to ours.

From there and on, we can probably assume their reproduction and life cycle to be potentially similar to ours, involving coitus, fecondation, gestation and delivery. This would mean only a couple tweaks and tricks differ, that are hinted at in the film (strength, life expectancy) but maybe also a few others we have yet not heard of (sensorial capabilities? interaction/symbiosis with biomechanoid tech? ...etc). Inferences in this paragraph are drifting one step further away from available material and shall thus be taken with a grain of salt, until additional elements infirm/confirm that.

Another reliable assumption, however, is Engineers do appear to age. This is supported by the presence of an Elder Engineer (called so by the film's crew/initial credits) in shots from the introduction “Genesis scene” that were cut from the theatrical release (and could eventually be reintegrated in a DVD/BR “Director's cut”?). This is also indirectly supported by the fact engineers use sarcophagi to slow their metabolism for long period of cryostasis, which also would make no sense for a non-aging/eternal creature (so much for ole' Weyland's hopes anyway, uh?).


These are the few reliable conclusions I have come to, from elements gathered so far. Please, do contribute in the comments and I will edit this post to append new elements (with due credits given) so we can have an extensive view of what we know about Engineer biology.

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Sources/Credits:
- quotes are from my translation of French magazine “L'Écran Fantastique” (much more inside, suggest to read it!) - **PDF can be downloaded here** [interesting **thread here** got quite off-topic with great, never published, Alien "Behind-the Scene" material, courtesy of Dennis Lowe]
- images are courtesy of Connor O'Sullivan (Prosthetics Supervisor on Prometheus) ; Creatures Inc. Ltd and fxguide.com
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Max Arthur (Production Designer): 
Can you tell us how you simulate the functioning of the many technologies on the sets of the ships, with accessories featuring moving parts, lightings, screens and various artefacts? 
--- There are two parts of the Prometheus in which we integrated mechanisms and sophisticated accessories. The first is the mess hall where the crew meets after they come out of hibernation. We had to think of the technologies that should be assembled to maintain an hibernating person alive, and how they could practically work. We talked about that with both NASA specialists and members of the Royal College of Medicine. They told us about how the body could be preserved and the heartbeat slowed down and placed under a reactive monitoring-system. A person placed in hibernation must also be fed during the artificial sleep, which has particular consequences you will discover in the movie, when our heroes wake up. Similar phenomena occur when the creatures nicknamed “Space Jockeys” themselves come out of their hibernation-state. Like humans, they depend on systems that ensure proper organic functions, and are adapted to their particular morphology...


Conor O'Sullivan (Prosthetics Supervisor)
Can you tell us how you have found the right aspect to represent the Space Jockeys alive, on the basis of Giger's original design of the corpse?
--- It is Neville Page who was in charge of establishing the aspect of the engineers. In fact, what we call a “Space Jockey”, it is the appearance these beings have when they wear their spacesuits, and that they get in the seat of the control unit in order to pilot their ship.. It is this suit that we could see in the original film, and not their true appearance, because the suit closes around them like some sort of cocoon.
So, what we took for a skull in the original film is in fact a helmet?
--- Yes. And the rest is a spacesuit that opens to reveal the ideal body of a giant humanoid. The engineers are supposed to be slightly over 3m tall [translator's note: 9 feet 10 inches], and look like Michelangelo sculptures.
They are therefore very similar to humans?
--- They have the exact appearance of humans, except for their size. They have no hairs on their head or body, and look like a marble statue. Ridley wanted the aspect of their skin to be close to that of alabaster, that is a skin so pale that it is almost translucent, and that you can see the veins through it. During our first meeting, I told Ridley I was not sure we would be able to produce that exact aspect he desired. Ridley had only two technical options in mind to present them: either create the characters in CGI, or use actors wearing prosthetics. I think what tipped the scales in our favour is the fact we developed this new method of laying silicon prosthetics. Even if the entire make-up process for the naked engineer lasted eight hours, the final result was absolutely perfect. Ridley was delighted of the result and told us it largely exceeded his hopes.
The translucent prosthetics of the naked engineer were therefore made in silicon, while the opaque biomechanical suit was made in latex-foam?
--- Yes. The principal engineer of the film wears a biomechanical suit that we nicknamed the 'precious suit' [based on the art book, it appears the magazine reporter got it wrong and what O'Sullivan said must have been “Pressure Suit” - Thanks to user "Engineering" for pointing that out to me- note by iapetus], that was made in latex-foam, on which we applied silicon elements. This suit was then covered in a layer of silicon, and then repainted. […]



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LV-223 = Leviticus 22:3

After My 5th Viewing, Some Observations..

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Caveat:  I apologize if some or all of these are buried within the gargantuan Plots sticky, but it's hard to go through 1000+ posts, which are apparently connected only by dealing with plot theories.  This is the 1st movie forum I've participated in, and I don't wish to disrespect anyone, mods or average joe/jane.  Perhaps someone could bite the bullet and attempt to categorize all of the plot sticky posts? 

Here are some hopefully new observations after my 5th viewing:
  1. The vase David freezes and brings onboard the Prometheus is shorter and looks lighter in color than the bigger vases that immediately start leaking black ooze.  So that throws a monkeywrench into theories attempting to explain how the black ooze that changes the worms/Fifield is consistent with the black ooze that infects Halloway.
  2. After the horseshoe crashes David's head and torso have fallen off of the raised platform.  So it definitely shifted due to the crash/flip.
  3. LV-426 and LV-223 could certainly be on different planets in the same star system.  Halloway says, 'that (star) system has 1 planet with a habitable moon'.  But that does not preclude the possibility that the star has a 2nd or 3rd planet with uninhabitable moons.  LV-426 looked anything but habitable in 'Alien'. 
  4. The pile of dead Engineers that Fifield/Millburn discover sure look like they're on the other side of the Mural/door...

Again I don't mean to spam or sully the forum if I'm repeating observations others pointed out already.  I will spend the next few hours reading all of the Plot theory sticky. 

Who is your least favourite character?

David's head...

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How come after the Jockey's ship crashes big style does David's head (and body) remain in the control room. Surely it would have toppled, crashed and banged all over the place being quite damaged after all that... Um?
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